485Mbe4001
09-12 07:01 PM
good post, I hear you loud and clear.
i too worry that for a simple issues such as visa recapture the media (dobbs) and the zelots (num usa etc.) create such a stink wonder if any CIR related reform will ever pass. We are tiny spec in immigration reform and will keep suffering because of the larger concerns. My congressman always talks about supporting legals and skilled immigrant, but when we asked him to co sponsor this bill, his staff kept waffling.
You said you dont want to get into the discussion on who is better and yet by explicitly mentioning who you think is better, it seems discussion is started :D Being a Friday evening - work slow and I cant help but jump in :)
American presidential politics are highly media driven. When I came to this country and started following politics closely (12+ years ago), initially I was fascinated by all the discussions and transparent process etc. But over the years got convinced that its all a facade - election process here is as much flawed as in a "third world" country. Election 2000 is the biggest proof. Even worse, here people are easily swayed by non-issues. Media creates hype and media creates perceptions about a candidate, real issues and concerns takes back seat most of the times. Just see now - for last couple weeks everyone is talking about a VP candidate - the power of a VP is limited but yet everyone is talking about her and almost forgot the presidential candidate of the same party. The republican favoring press wants to project her as the next savior (which unfortunately seems to be working) and whip up their cadre. The democratic favoring press wants to project her apparent inexperience etc. We may soon see who is going to win in their "spin". In general republicans are pretty good in spin stories and project an apparently dumb candidate as someone with "whom you can have a beer with" and get him elected; now they might even succeed in projecting a 30+ year senator who backs current administration as an agent of change !!?!!! and people might even fall for that argument. Of course there are spin stories on the other side too.
Anyways, whoever wins this time - I think our situation wont change much and might even get worse. As the economy get worse - it would be very difficult to get any new bill favoring us (note I am talking about EB green cards not H1B). There is already a good effort by likes of numbersusa and programmers guild to project HR5882 as if it will kills jobs. As we know HR5882 is only for recapturing unused greencards the beneficiaries of which are mostly in this country already. It should have been a completely non-controversial bill - if we can see the resistance its facing we can imagine about any other bill that propose increase of GC numbers or something such. So prospects for anything better happening is very poor irrespective of who the next president is - that's my reading on this.
i too worry that for a simple issues such as visa recapture the media (dobbs) and the zelots (num usa etc.) create such a stink wonder if any CIR related reform will ever pass. We are tiny spec in immigration reform and will keep suffering because of the larger concerns. My congressman always talks about supporting legals and skilled immigrant, but when we asked him to co sponsor this bill, his staff kept waffling.
You said you dont want to get into the discussion on who is better and yet by explicitly mentioning who you think is better, it seems discussion is started :D Being a Friday evening - work slow and I cant help but jump in :)
American presidential politics are highly media driven. When I came to this country and started following politics closely (12+ years ago), initially I was fascinated by all the discussions and transparent process etc. But over the years got convinced that its all a facade - election process here is as much flawed as in a "third world" country. Election 2000 is the biggest proof. Even worse, here people are easily swayed by non-issues. Media creates hype and media creates perceptions about a candidate, real issues and concerns takes back seat most of the times. Just see now - for last couple weeks everyone is talking about a VP candidate - the power of a VP is limited but yet everyone is talking about her and almost forgot the presidential candidate of the same party. The republican favoring press wants to project her as the next savior (which unfortunately seems to be working) and whip up their cadre. The democratic favoring press wants to project her apparent inexperience etc. We may soon see who is going to win in their "spin". In general republicans are pretty good in spin stories and project an apparently dumb candidate as someone with "whom you can have a beer with" and get him elected; now they might even succeed in projecting a 30+ year senator who backs current administration as an agent of change !!?!!! and people might even fall for that argument. Of course there are spin stories on the other side too.
Anyways, whoever wins this time - I think our situation wont change much and might even get worse. As the economy get worse - it would be very difficult to get any new bill favoring us (note I am talking about EB green cards not H1B). There is already a good effort by likes of numbersusa and programmers guild to project HR5882 as if it will kills jobs. As we know HR5882 is only for recapturing unused greencards the beneficiaries of which are mostly in this country already. It should have been a completely non-controversial bill - if we can see the resistance its facing we can imagine about any other bill that propose increase of GC numbers or something such. So prospects for anything better happening is very poor irrespective of who the next president is - that's my reading on this.
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ghost
07-10 12:30 PM
Your post shows your ignorance on how things work on the capitol hill. SKIL was introduced on thursday June 29, 2006 in the house.
The congress was in recess (on the field) the entire last week. So effectively they were in the house for ONE day. What updates do you expect in this time?
I'm sorry to say but there is no reason for you to be in IV if you have no belief in them. So, stop posting divisive messages and get the hell out of here. That's the least you can do for our cause.
Don't you guys think there is no spark anymore in IV? Have you heard anything incourging from IV lately? Where is QGC or whatever there name is? Where is money?
Many many times members asked for update once in a while, but what u got , nothing.
Come one guys, stop dreaming.
The congress was in recess (on the field) the entire last week. So effectively they were in the house for ONE day. What updates do you expect in this time?
I'm sorry to say but there is no reason for you to be in IV if you have no belief in them. So, stop posting divisive messages and get the hell out of here. That's the least you can do for our cause.
Don't you guys think there is no spark anymore in IV? Have you heard anything incourging from IV lately? Where is QGC or whatever there name is? Where is money?
Many many times members asked for update once in a while, but what u got , nothing.
Come one guys, stop dreaming.
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immique
07-17 10:59 PM
Excellent response. I have been a silent admirer of IV for some time. IV has represented the aspirations of all the EB applicants. people should understand that the US allotment of visas to foreign Nationals is only based on what is fair for the country (US). It does not matter to them to what country the applicant belongs but what matters is the qualifications and their benefit to the advancement of the US. I am appauled to see some of the members racheting up this irrational discussion about the spillovers when DOS clearly stated recently what the intent of the law was. the sooner they get over this issue, the better for them and for every one on the forum as the existing rules will NOT change regarding the spillover. we have to concentrate our efforts on how we can improve conditions for every body affected by this retroression. efforts aimed at one category and that too one country will almost certainy fail. I am also shocked to see a few EB3 I expressing anger over dates moving for EB2. personally if I see a person from my country getting his visa approved, then I would feel very happy for him even if I am waiting for some time. I know it will be difficult, but atleast spare some joy for your country men and women who are getting some well deserved relief after such a long wait. one of my old friends told me once "if you have a friend from India, don't rely on him to help you, because you will not get much help moreover some people will only try to pull you down, but if you take people from other countries, it is exactly the opposite as they try to help each other in every possible way". I agree that it is very distressing for every one that the dates are retrogressed, but now that EB2 has moved, all of a sudden some people woke up from a deep sleep and started making these arguments that have no legal basis. None of these people expressed their anger when EB3 ROW was being preferred over more qualified EB2 I and C and making EB2 unavailable. I know a lot of people from EB2 protested at this wrong interpretation of the law, but I don't remember anyone ever criticizing IV for not taking up their cause even though we knew all along that spillover from EB1 to EB2 retrogressed countries was the right interpretation of the law. now some people are asking IV to take up an issue that is straight forward illegal as was clearly explained by DOS in a recent bulletin. instead of wasting time and efforts on such futile suggestions, people should concentrate on making some constructive effort along with IV helping every one involved in retrogression.
you must know something i don't.
aman kapoor is the president and founder of iv- of course you can argue he now has his GC but that fact is he is still the heart and soul of iv and runs the organization on a day to day basis. he is EB3.
the "core group" does not much exist in practical terms right now. there is instead a large "leaders group" that helps coordinate actions and strategy.
this group has a lot of active members- and i find it "comfortable" to say that the majority are EB3. which may actually count for something- since i actually do know somethings you don't :-)
no one stops anyone from doing anything. but whatever you do (and yes you actually have to DO, not just keep talking), has to have a sound basis. Many of the suggestions put forward have flaws, and actually papu and others have been pretty helpful in politely helping to point those out and suggesting changes. of course reddog took objection even to that! incidentally, just for the record, you may want to look at pappu's profile . HE IS EB3!
so what do you want anyway? should we go tell USCIS that leftover Gc from EB2 ROW should go to EB3 ROW instead of EB2 I/C? what about the 28.6% that should belong to EB2? and since you are EB3 I- how does this help you in any way? or should we tell them to stop the preference catogories in INA and make EB1=EB2=Eb3? somehow i do not think that is going to fly.
where were you when USCIS implemented vertical spillover in 2006 and left EB2 I in a U state while giving EB2 Gc numbers to EB3 ROW?
did you object then? did you start a campaign? did EB2 I folks here start saying that iv did not care about them?
in 2007 ordinarily, (like 06) EB2 I and EB3 I would have got only 2,800 GC each. because of iv's efforts in reversing the july bulletin, EB3 I got a huge number of Gc instead. many more than any other category. i don't remember anyone else standing up and saying that this was unfair and that iv is all about EB3I. and that's what a lot of anti iv folks say. that iv is all about EB3 India. so this is very ironical.
and i see here a comment that every campaign has been bad for EB3 india.
i guess july reversal was bad. i guess the campaign for recapture is bad. and the 2 year EAD is bad too. not to mention the gathering support to end country quotas.
you opened my eyes :-)
you must know something i don't.
aman kapoor is the president and founder of iv- of course you can argue he now has his GC but that fact is he is still the heart and soul of iv and runs the organization on a day to day basis. he is EB3.
the "core group" does not much exist in practical terms right now. there is instead a large "leaders group" that helps coordinate actions and strategy.
this group has a lot of active members- and i find it "comfortable" to say that the majority are EB3. which may actually count for something- since i actually do know somethings you don't :-)
no one stops anyone from doing anything. but whatever you do (and yes you actually have to DO, not just keep talking), has to have a sound basis. Many of the suggestions put forward have flaws, and actually papu and others have been pretty helpful in politely helping to point those out and suggesting changes. of course reddog took objection even to that! incidentally, just for the record, you may want to look at pappu's profile . HE IS EB3!
so what do you want anyway? should we go tell USCIS that leftover Gc from EB2 ROW should go to EB3 ROW instead of EB2 I/C? what about the 28.6% that should belong to EB2? and since you are EB3 I- how does this help you in any way? or should we tell them to stop the preference catogories in INA and make EB1=EB2=Eb3? somehow i do not think that is going to fly.
where were you when USCIS implemented vertical spillover in 2006 and left EB2 I in a U state while giving EB2 Gc numbers to EB3 ROW?
did you object then? did you start a campaign? did EB2 I folks here start saying that iv did not care about them?
in 2007 ordinarily, (like 06) EB2 I and EB3 I would have got only 2,800 GC each. because of iv's efforts in reversing the july bulletin, EB3 I got a huge number of Gc instead. many more than any other category. i don't remember anyone else standing up and saying that this was unfair and that iv is all about EB3I. and that's what a lot of anti iv folks say. that iv is all about EB3 India. so this is very ironical.
and i see here a comment that every campaign has been bad for EB3 india.
i guess july reversal was bad. i guess the campaign for recapture is bad. and the 2 year EAD is bad too. not to mention the gathering support to end country quotas.
you opened my eyes :-)
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gk_2000
03-28 09:21 PM
Well I didn't start using it, I was responding. And thank you no one needs your lecture.
Lecture is needed whenever the expert forgets. And you did use it first in this "discussion". Not mentioning past here. When at fault, just listen up to the music. And I repeat, it's not personal. Personally, I would like nothing better than associate in cooperative spirit and stop all childish bickering.
When Seniors like you get down to using expletives, you are doing something like what Manmohan did when fighting against Advani. He simply lost his own respect. Get me? I consider you as seniors. Dont let that balance be disturbed, for everyone's sake.
Lecture is needed whenever the expert forgets. And you did use it first in this "discussion". Not mentioning past here. When at fault, just listen up to the music. And I repeat, it's not personal. Personally, I would like nothing better than associate in cooperative spirit and stop all childish bickering.
When Seniors like you get down to using expletives, you are doing something like what Manmohan did when fighting against Advani. He simply lost his own respect. Get me? I consider you as seniors. Dont let that balance be disturbed, for everyone's sake.
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chanduv23
09-04 01:19 PM
To add to this.. Some will think that something good just going to happen since next year is election.. Not sure what makes them think that..
Some are extremely negative-- They will say doesn't matter what you guys do,nothing will happen.
Those with negative opinions - they do not do much in life too - most of these wake up late in morning, go to work, watch TV , lazy in weekends , play cards, chat on phone , always spend a lot of hours on the internet researching for some crappy deals on electronic goods - the time, if well spent is worth more than what they save on buying the item.
Though it is difficult to change their attitude - it is possible, we must be persistent in our effort.
Some are extremely negative-- They will say doesn't matter what you guys do,nothing will happen.
Those with negative opinions - they do not do much in life too - most of these wake up late in morning, go to work, watch TV , lazy in weekends , play cards, chat on phone , always spend a lot of hours on the internet researching for some crappy deals on electronic goods - the time, if well spent is worth more than what they save on buying the item.
Though it is difficult to change their attitude - it is possible, we must be persistent in our effort.
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06-26 11:46 AM
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go_guy123
08-23 01:07 AM
The placement statistics from the Rotman school of Management website is quite impressive.
I've a few questions for you. How bright are the job prospects after doing an MBA from U of T in the current recession wolrd? Are part-time MBA students given equal opportunity in job placements? What's the % of placement among Canadian vs US employers?. Howmuch salary can a person with Engineering degree + US experience + Canadian MBA expect to get?
Placement statistics there are hyped up. Not that great. However the US ones are also hyped. So lets be fair here. US school dont tell
foreign students that without GC employers dont even want to look at you. Even Harvard foreign students are having a very bad time.
Plus here they allow spouse to work. If the marriage is more than 3 years , then that
spousal work permit leads to resident tuition as well. In US F4 cant work. Even you cant work off campus. Without working you have to support 2 persons (for married people)
Compared to Canada, US literally treats foreign students like dogs....I dont understand why people from India still come to do MS in US. Yes I know I have done MS in US and MBA in Canada....so I can compare first hand.
Let me be honest. Opportunities in Canada is no way compared to US for a US Citizen/GC.
However if you are not a US Citizen/GC then you are far better off in Canada.
Lately Rotman is a bit too expensive for non-resident tuition. So I wont recommend that to international students. However you can choose U of Calgary etc. I was a PR before I joined Rotman so I got loans, worked part more than 20 hrs week (often more than 30 hrs). Leaving H1B job in US for a MBA in Canada was one of the best decisions I have taken. In fact I was so convinced that I should not do MBA in US that I didnt even apply in
US schools.
Answering your specific questions
International students in Canada are doing better than international students in US who need an H1B. In Canada after 1st they all applied for
PR and are close to getting PR Plus they get 3 year unrestricted work permit. It has been bad. But now I see eventually all are getting full time employment.
Part time students cant apply through the full time career center. But they can talk and annend info session. Most people including fulltime
MBA get jobs outside career center.
US experience isnt give a premium. Canadian experience is always prefered. 60K to 70K is the typical salaries that foreign students are getting. Well I never said that Canadian oppotunities are great but what i can say is that Canada is a better option if you are not a
GC/USC.
It is hard to compare Canada vs India. India as other problems. If you want finance sector jobs then it is Bombay. It involves long travel
of 2 hours in locals each way. 4 hours travel...there is no personal time left after work. I personally cant take it...it might be different
for others. Power problems, traffic jam etc is there. It about what you consider quality of life, and that is different from person to person.
I've a few questions for you. How bright are the job prospects after doing an MBA from U of T in the current recession wolrd? Are part-time MBA students given equal opportunity in job placements? What's the % of placement among Canadian vs US employers?. Howmuch salary can a person with Engineering degree + US experience + Canadian MBA expect to get?
Placement statistics there are hyped up. Not that great. However the US ones are also hyped. So lets be fair here. US school dont tell
foreign students that without GC employers dont even want to look at you. Even Harvard foreign students are having a very bad time.
Plus here they allow spouse to work. If the marriage is more than 3 years , then that
spousal work permit leads to resident tuition as well. In US F4 cant work. Even you cant work off campus. Without working you have to support 2 persons (for married people)
Compared to Canada, US literally treats foreign students like dogs....I dont understand why people from India still come to do MS in US. Yes I know I have done MS in US and MBA in Canada....so I can compare first hand.
Let me be honest. Opportunities in Canada is no way compared to US for a US Citizen/GC.
However if you are not a US Citizen/GC then you are far better off in Canada.
Lately Rotman is a bit too expensive for non-resident tuition. So I wont recommend that to international students. However you can choose U of Calgary etc. I was a PR before I joined Rotman so I got loans, worked part more than 20 hrs week (often more than 30 hrs). Leaving H1B job in US for a MBA in Canada was one of the best decisions I have taken. In fact I was so convinced that I should not do MBA in US that I didnt even apply in
US schools.
Answering your specific questions
International students in Canada are doing better than international students in US who need an H1B. In Canada after 1st they all applied for
PR and are close to getting PR Plus they get 3 year unrestricted work permit. It has been bad. But now I see eventually all are getting full time employment.
Part time students cant apply through the full time career center. But they can talk and annend info session. Most people including fulltime
MBA get jobs outside career center.
US experience isnt give a premium. Canadian experience is always prefered. 60K to 70K is the typical salaries that foreign students are getting. Well I never said that Canadian oppotunities are great but what i can say is that Canada is a better option if you are not a
GC/USC.
It is hard to compare Canada vs India. India as other problems. If you want finance sector jobs then it is Bombay. It involves long travel
of 2 hours in locals each way. 4 hours travel...there is no personal time left after work. I personally cant take it...it might be different
for others. Power problems, traffic jam etc is there. It about what you consider quality of life, and that is different from person to person.
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acecupid
05-31 10:28 PM
Well one can avoid Air France if it 'makes you feel better'
The Crux of the matter is 'Indians discriminate Indians !!!!'. You see that everyday.....
1.Indian embassies in US...
2.Air India service is better for Goras and Goris than us...
3.Even in a website called IV and the list goes on and on.
Its been long forgotten that we were once the richest country in the world with a amazing history and cultural background.
Bottom line: Once a fellow Indian starts respecting another fellow Indian 'others will follow'.
Cheers!!!
By not standing up for your fellow indian and boycotting AF you are dis-respecting your fellow indian since you dont seem to care about the racist experience they had. So how are you different from "indians who discriminate indians" ? :confused: Just because we had a legacy of caste system doesnt mean you dont have to stand up for what is wrong. Your indifferent attitude/actions seems to contradict your own statements.
The Crux of the matter is 'Indians discriminate Indians !!!!'. You see that everyday.....
1.Indian embassies in US...
2.Air India service is better for Goras and Goris than us...
3.Even in a website called IV and the list goes on and on.
Its been long forgotten that we were once the richest country in the world with a amazing history and cultural background.
Bottom line: Once a fellow Indian starts respecting another fellow Indian 'others will follow'.
Cheers!!!
By not standing up for your fellow indian and boycotting AF you are dis-respecting your fellow indian since you dont seem to care about the racist experience they had. So how are you different from "indians who discriminate indians" ? :confused: Just because we had a legacy of caste system doesnt mean you dont have to stand up for what is wrong. Your indifferent attitude/actions seems to contradict your own statements.
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hebbar77
09-25 10:46 PM
This is my opinion:
They are bunch of people who want to serve all the country and make all the money, with least customer care. So if you got money and dont need any quality of service, go to Fragomen!
They are bunch of people who want to serve all the country and make all the money, with least customer care. So if you got money and dont need any quality of service, go to Fragomen!
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akred
06-09 05:44 PM
That is right. But same country quota is there in EB system also. So in point system also 80% of people will get same quality of people as current system. But advantage is process delay will be eliminated.
The points system will likely result in significant deterioration in the quality of EB immigrants.
The biggest flaw of the point system as it is currently structured is that people may be able to get a green card even if they are unemployable in the US. No one knows what fraction of green cards granted under the points system would end up going to these types of cases.
As it stands today, 100% of all people admitted under the EB categories are assured of decent employment when they are granted a green card. Why should we move to a system that permits people to come in based on paper qualifications, work for low wage jobs and then after 5 years claim welfare benefits?
The points system will likely result in significant deterioration in the quality of EB immigrants.
The biggest flaw of the point system as it is currently structured is that people may be able to get a green card even if they are unemployable in the US. No one knows what fraction of green cards granted under the points system would end up going to these types of cases.
As it stands today, 100% of all people admitted under the EB categories are assured of decent employment when they are granted a green card. Why should we move to a system that permits people to come in based on paper qualifications, work for low wage jobs and then after 5 years claim welfare benefits?
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H4_losing_hope
02-26 10:49 PM
Few of my friends (5) mailed their letters over the weekend. This takes my total to 14 (confirmed). Quite a few have promised they'll mail it, need to track them!!!
Lets go for the final stretch!!!
Let's do it IV!
Lets go for the final stretch!!!
Let's do it IV!
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chanduv23
06-27 09:19 AM
NSC or TSC?
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03-17 09:45 AM
The link is not working dude. IS anyone able to access the link?
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unitednations
03-23 07:03 PM
This is an indictment of the labor certification system and not a defense of the country based quotas.
Not sure what you mean by this...
I never said I agreed with country base quotas for EB. However; lawmakers, etc. are not stupid people. We have to try to understand why they are there and why it is not being changed. We have to understand the symptoms before you can find the cure.
Not sure what you mean by this...
I never said I agreed with country base quotas for EB. However; lawmakers, etc. are not stupid people. We have to try to understand why they are there and why it is not being changed. We have to understand the symptoms before you can find the cure.
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av2004
05-17 11:50 AM
Thanks to Pappu and IV for providing such simple way to contact our Lawmakers.. It actually took less than a minute to contact my lawmaker using your interface. Great job and thanks for all your hard work to bring our issues to the front!
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Macaca
09-12 09:48 AM
Take the first step, and
your mind will mobilize
all its forces to your aid.
But the first essential is that
you begin.
Once the battle is started,
all that is within and without you
will come to your assistance
Robert Collier
your mind will mobilize
all its forces to your aid.
But the first essential is that
you begin.
Once the battle is started,
all that is within and without you
will come to your assistance
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willgetgc2005
06-30 07:00 PM
I am really concerned. Employers will lobby for increase in H1-B.
Well, at least most of them. If it comes to either H1-B or GC, they will obviously opt for H1-B increase.
So, if in the last minute, only H1-B is increased and not GC (Anything can happen behind closed doors negotiations) we will have more H1-B with the GC dream and suffering like us.
I think our Web fax should categorically state that we support Only GC related provisions in the skill bill. Else, at least, I plan not to sign the petition.
We don�t want to be supporting a cause outside of ours that will eventually indirectly
affect us. It will also affect many starry eyed new H1-Bs chasing their ever elusive GC dream. Haven�t we all had enough.
Excellent Point. Its defenitely not in any of the employer's interest to worry about EB issues. Infact they prefer people being in H1. and I certainly do not want to support that. There are good chances that congress increase H1 quota and we end up supporting the wrong cause. As far as IV is concerned, I would even go to the extent of saying that we should not support H1 causes, as there are enough candidates in H1 here undergoing EB problems. Thanks for bringing out an excellent point regarding this bill. My opinion is, if EB issues are not stressed properly, this bill will be viewed as "INCREASE FOR H1B BILL".. my 2 cents.
Well, at least most of them. If it comes to either H1-B or GC, they will obviously opt for H1-B increase.
So, if in the last minute, only H1-B is increased and not GC (Anything can happen behind closed doors negotiations) we will have more H1-B with the GC dream and suffering like us.
I think our Web fax should categorically state that we support Only GC related provisions in the skill bill. Else, at least, I plan not to sign the petition.
We don�t want to be supporting a cause outside of ours that will eventually indirectly
affect us. It will also affect many starry eyed new H1-Bs chasing their ever elusive GC dream. Haven�t we all had enough.
Excellent Point. Its defenitely not in any of the employer's interest to worry about EB issues. Infact they prefer people being in H1. and I certainly do not want to support that. There are good chances that congress increase H1 quota and we end up supporting the wrong cause. As far as IV is concerned, I would even go to the extent of saying that we should not support H1 causes, as there are enough candidates in H1 here undergoing EB problems. Thanks for bringing out an excellent point regarding this bill. My opinion is, if EB issues are not stressed properly, this bill will be viewed as "INCREASE FOR H1B BILL".. my 2 cents.
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10-15 03:00 PM
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H4_losing_hope
02-19 10:40 AM
Got 3 letters yesterday.
We are trying to get as many as we can.
We all appreciate it! :)
We are trying to get as many as we can.
We all appreciate it! :)
deba
08-20 11:25 PM
I did the same thing for my PIO card from Houton consulate. Included the $20 fee and received my PIO card within a week by FedEx.
amitjoey
05-21 05:38 PM
I will match dollar for dollar all contributions for the next 3 hours, if some one from IV will confirm the amount.
Anybody wants to take Sugaur on his offer.
Right now the total to match is $300
Thank you ivx, garybanz, yabayaba, supreet
The total to match is $400
Anybody wants to take Sugaur on his offer.
Right now the total to match is $300
Thank you ivx, garybanz, yabayaba, supreet
The total to match is $400
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